As important as to read what happens in a Biblical text it is sometimes to understand WHEN the facts happen that it relates and WHERE they happen. When the Bible says that Jesus “was born� for example, he would totally vary our faith the time and the place. If it were born in Bethlehem and the first century, because then it is the Mesías that waited for the Jewish town and our Mesías.

If it were born in another time, and in another place (in the sky or another planet as some sects and religions create) then IT IS NOT the Mesías that the Jews hoped because the Mesías had TO BE BORN in Bethlehem, “not to incarnate itself� in Bethlehem (to be born means = TO GET TO EXIST).

There is a passage of the Scripture in Filipenses 2:5 - 8 that it invites to seem us to us to our Mesías, Jesus as far as humility and obedience. Basically it says us to the text that we have the attitude of Jesus that being anybody tremendously important, did not cling to that position or power and became as if the insignificant being outside but. The text also explains the reason: the humility and obedience of the Mesías made possible that it accepted they killed that it as to a slave and that made possible that it redeemed to us. Finally it remembers us to the passage that Jesus received like prize a greater glory to the one than already had by inheritance.  It is a beautiful passage, where we will not find the word “sky� like place. We will not either find the expression “before being born� like introducció. We will not find the word “Mars�, “the ocean�, “cloud�, nor no other word that makes us think that these facts happened in some place that not outside the Earth.

In spite of it, the politeístas (trinitarios, binatarios, witnesses of Jehovah or mormones) continue reading in that text which does not say. They read this:

“There is in you the feeling that there was in Christ Jesus who living in the sky next to God I do not consider to live in the sky next to God like thing to that to cling, but was transformed into a human being. and obedecio they killed until it in a cross “

But I must informarte that IS NOT WHAT the text SAYS. If your you read Filipenses 2:5 - 8 as decirte is written above debi that your mind has been cloudy because the text, literal, without maneuvers DOES NOT SAY THAT. And I will try with the aid of God to reason so that you can see the truth of this beautiful passage:

1 - It does not say that the facts occur in the sky. If your you show to me WHERE these texts mention the word SKY, I with like I would be prepared to listen to the argument. Since it does not say SKY, I do not understand why the politeistas establish that all the first versicle of the argument passes in the SKY. From they remove where it? Me you cannot locate the events in a place that the Bible does not mention. Just like you said to me that the text talks about to that Jesus lived in Mars: it reads well. IT DOES NOT SAY IT.  THERE IS INDICATIVE OF DIRECT NO PLACE REFERRING TO THE SKY.

2 - It does not say that the facts occur BEFORE the BIRTH of Jesus. If you show your me where it mentions that all this happened Before being born Jesus, or in a date previous to its birth, with taste would listen to you. But you have an enormous problem then DOES NOT SAY “consider the attitude of Jesus BEFORE BEING BORN�. It does not say it.  THERE IS NO INDICATIVE INDICATIVE AT THE MOMENT REFERRING TO “BEFORE BEING BORN�

But all the politeistas, trinitarios, binatarios, or gnósticos of the antiquity insist on which there it says SKY and BEFORE BEING BORN, locate the facts in:  where? IN THE SKY when? BEFORE BEING BORN, without the text mentions nor the word sky, nor the moment “before being born�

This way “they twist the writings for its own destruction�, because simply they are adding something that does not say. We already saw what IT DOES NOT SAY, now we read what says:

It has (now present time) in you this to feel that there was (past time) in the MESIAS JESUS.   Mesias? Jesus? Then than the apostle speaks to me is referring to somebody call Jesus, and somebody named Mesías.   Was called Jesus of that way in the sky?

He is going to respond the Bible to you:
“And he will give birth a son, and you will call his JESUS name, because it will save to his town of his sins.� (Lucas 1:21)

When Jesus says, when he says “consider Jesus� IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE REFERRED a DEMIGOD who lived in the sky, since JESUS is a name received by an Earth human. We already have established the moment and place of the events thanks to Lucas 1:21:  IN THE EARTH, AFTER ITS BIRTH.   Delay… has but.

“to feel that there was also in Christ� (or Mesías according to the Hebrew language) “… Since when their disciples knew that to the ERA the Mesías or Christ?  The Bible will respond to you:

“And responding Simón Pedro, it said: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.� (Mateo 16:16)

This agrees and so I say to the angel Gabriel:

“This he will be great, and it will be called Son of the Highest one: and his father will give to Mr. God the throne him of David� (Lucas 1:32)

A momentito here. He will be great?  In future time? That is that Jesus great nonERA before being born?  Exact. That is what the Scripture says: HE WILL BE great and great nonERA. HE WILL BE great after being born because Before being born Jesus it did not exist.

WILL BE CALLED SON OF the HIGHEST one? In future time? That is that Jesus nonERA SON OF the HIGHEST one before being born in Bethlehem? Exact. That is what the writing says: He will be called and son of the Highest one IS NOT CALLED. He will be Son of the Highest one after being born because Before being born Jesus he did not exist.

Also mentions the angel Gabriel who the title of would receive it to Mesías After being born in Bethlehem, that is to say that is only CHRIST after being born? He mentions if it. “HE WILL GIVE (future) to Mr. God the throne Him of David his Father�
When is called Jesus with the title of Christ or Mesías?  Then not only after its birth, but after its baptism and during its ministry. Pedro is, according to the writing, the first a that is to him developing.   (Mateo 16:16)

So we have again established the time and the place:

JESUS= names received by an Earth human after to be born
CHRIST Or MESIAS = title received by an Earth human after to be born

But, in spite of all this certain people who have been misled they say to us that we must simply and by pure tradition suppose that Filipenses 2:5 happens IN the SKY, and BEFORE the BIRTH of Jesus.

Decime. on the basis of what?  I it Bible do not interpret it I read, it.  And what I read it is clear: he says to Filipenses something that NO disciple of that one then had understood as you understand your it, because he never taught himself to them neither like Jews nor like disciples of Jesus who Jesus had incarnated itself in Maria being previous a celestial being. So that they understood the barbarism that understands the politeistas nowadays, the text must have said to them:

“There is in you the feeling that there was in that celestial being of who we ignored the name but that later I am called in the Earth Jesus and was designated Christ, which being a celestial being who was never mentioned in our Toráh, did not think that it had to continue being a God of equal nature that the own God of Israel, and if that to many it will cost to them to understand that habia was a second God of smaller rank but… this second God volume forms of being human, when I say volume forms of being human I refer to that it put within the belly of Maria and was disguised of being human by years by means of a process that I am not going to explain here nor is going to find in no other letter mine or old writing, but that must believe equal, they killed until it and then it returned to the sky to be a God of smaller rank “

That is what must have saying, to maintain what the politeístas of nowadays, witnesses of Jehovah or protestants, catholics or mormones, create. And it had probably said if it the letters of Pablo of in but would not speak there of another subject. imaginate! If to some he cost to them to understand that outside son of God, that God had had a human Earth son here or how they were going to revive deads, the more they would not have asked if they said to them that Jesus was nor but nor less than an incarnated celestial being?

Already established that the events of Filipenses 2,5 pass in the Earth, and after the birth of Jesus, I invite to you to reflect since a Christian would do of the first century:

- The way Has in you to think of Jesus the Mesías…
- Clearly, if. .el to be human that lived between us. the one that we think that it is the Mesías
- That same one.  The tapeworm the condition or rank of God (of the Greek: morphos).
- And if clearly. like Moisés that was God before Pharaoh. certain Pablo?
- Exact. But in spite of this I do not consider that this condition was something to which to cling but undressed of this rank (that is but high that a man can have) and the volume the slave rank (who is but under which a man can have) and he obeyed to God until the death.

MORPHOS is used as word in the case of SLAVE and the case of GOD, as it puts your GOD text well means a RANK there, the one of POWERFUL., a title: not a nature.  In the same way that to be enslaved indicates a title, a rank (under) not a nature.
For example the apostle Pablo said of itself:

“Because although I am free of all, of all I have been made enslaved to win to greater number.�  (1 Corintios 1:19)

The apostle Pablo was citizen Roman. One became literally enslaved, being sold some rich one of the time to do forced work? No. Simply he followed the example of Jesus: SLAVE BECAME, VOLUME the SLAVE FORM.  He humiliated himself. The same idea is the one that it transmits Filipenses 2:5 - 8 when it says that Jesus, although tapeworm condition of God (as it had Moisés for example who also was called God,� Jehovah said to Moisés: - Sight, I have constituted you God for the Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet ((Exodus 7:1)) , and also Christ was called (((Hebrew 11:24 - 26.)) )
Beautiful lesson of humility. Jesus being the Mesías, being able to have demanded the world that belonged to him being God of that new world (as the devil is God of this old world, 2 Corintios 4:4), was let kill by obedience to act the second as that today fulfills: ; the one of priesthood and being like Melquisedec, as much king as priest and to redeem us to all.

All this happened in the Earth, the one that resigned temporarily to its degree of Mesías to become a slave. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE TEXT THAT SAYS THAT IT HAPPENED IN THE SKY AND BEFORE ITS BIRTH

You know your it, I know it to I.  It is not question of opinions. It does not say SKY, does not say BEFORE BEING BORN. If you want to continue believing it, hazlo. But the Bible does not say SKY, does not say BEFORE BEING BORN.

Leelo 1000 times and seguira without saying it.

Shalom

Apolos of Montevideo
www.newjoydivine.org

Tags: Exodus 7:1, Filipenses 2:5, Filipenses 2:5 - 8, Filipenses 2:6, Filipenses 2:7, Filipenses 2:8, Hebrew 11:24 - 26, Mateo 16:16, being in the form of God, having God form