The mothers love their children BEFORE BEING BORN… but they only exist for them, not consciously.
The subjective existence is one of the truths but clear of the Bible and that does not understand east concept is not understanding then absolutely Biblical the Jewish and Christian theology.
Not to understand that for GOD certain things exist that in fact DO NOT EXIST objectively, or to put it another way, not to include that not only very many things but EVERYTHING what exists and existed sometimes it exists subjectively from the point of view of God, is not to know it.
We see a clear example of things that nonEXISTIAN like objects, but that IF THEY EXISTED in the mind of God:
Psalms 139:16
My embryo saw your eyes, and in your book those things that soon were formed, without lacking nor one of them were written all.
This text reflects one of the important aspects but of the Hebrew thought, that obvious is one of the amazing facets but of the personality of our God: YOU GO the THINGS THAT NOT YET ARE.
You go and knows the things that NOT YET HAVE BEEN FORMED, that is to say that DO NOT HAVE OBJECTIVE EXISTENCE. They only exist for him. The salmista, David, say that in the book of God (its Plan, its Verb, its Will) all the parts of their body were already written… that SOON WERE FORMED. It could not have a clear text but as far as seating that for God the things that not yet ARE, IF THEY ARE IT.
as he is written: “I have put to You by father of many nations�. And he is it in front of God, to that believed, which he gives life to deads and he calls the things that are not as if they were.
Again we see that it is an EXPLICIT Biblical EDUCATION that God, Father Llama TO the THINGS THAT ARE NOT, AS IF THEY WERE.
The own Jesus taught that God calls beings who ARE NOT, as if they were he used and it like argument in favor of the resurrection:
Lucas 20:38
because God is not dead God, but of alive, because for him all live.
He is interesting that the gospels of Marks and Mateo apply the argument simply saying that God is not dead God, but of alive. But it is Lucas that exactly explains the meaning of the expression: FOR HIM, (that is, FOR GOD) all of them live. The explanation is important. The deads DO NOT EXIST objectively. They rest, they sleep, they rest. THEY ONLY EXIST for God, in his mind, its memory. For GOD they are alive because it glides to revive them a day.
So again we see that the SUBJECTIVE existence is integral part of the Christian doctrine, and is essential to include/understand the Christian hope of the resurrection: if for God nonfueramos so real as if still vivieramos… how we could be safe of being revived? This taught Jesus to it in the text arrives mentioned, not I.
The human beings without objective existence, have had SUBJECTIVE existence in the mind of God, that is EXISTENCE FROM the POINT DE VISTA DE GOD. This it was the case of JeremÃas:
JeremÃas 1:5
“It trained Before you in the belly, I knew you, and before you were born, I sanctified to you, I gave by prophet the nations�.
God sanctified to JeremÃas and it gave by prophet the nations BEFORE JEREMÃ?AS EXISTED. JeremÃas DID NOT EXIST BEFORE BEING BORN. To anybody it would be happened to him to say that JeremÃas existed in the sky before being born. It is clear that this text is related to the SUBJECTIVE existence in the mind of God, that calls to the things that are not, as if they were it.
It is not the unique case: of the Christians it says:
Efesios 1:4
according to it chose to us in élantes of the foundation of the world, so that we were holy and without spot in front of him.
Nobody can deny the writing. Nobody can deny that God chose to us BEFORE the FOUNDATION OF the WORLD, before nacieramos, before existieramos. Anyone of us could say aloud:
“Father you loved to me before the foundation of the world�
And we would not be lying. I do not ask that they interpret. I only ask that they read and they think: if Efesios 1:4 is the Word of God, is clear that anyone of us could say:
“Father you loved to me before the foundation of the world�
Also it is clear that NO of us existed before being born objectively. Only in the mind and the plans of God. It would have to be strange to us since the son of God, the chosen one to be the MesÃas would say the following thing?
Juan 17:24
� Father, those that you have given me, I want that where I am, also they are with me, so that they see my glory that you have given me, because you have loved to me from before the foundation of the world.
If somebody is going to use Juan 17:24 to affirm that Jesus existed consciously in skies before being born, then he will have to apply the same principle to the letter to the Efesios and also to affirm that ALL WE EXISTED BEFORE BEING BORN. In fact there are religions that do therefore it, like mormones who think that all the beings had conscious existence before being born. As we saw, he is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible standard that JeremÃas, the Christians and JESUS CHRIST, all these beings had SUBJECTIVE EXISTENCE before being born. They only existed in the mind of God before being born.
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b God loved Jesus before being born
ERGO: That Jesus will love Jesus before being born nontest that Jesus existed objectively before being born.
He is simple and clearly. And still more. Jesus says that to his HE LOVED IT Father him before the foundation of the world, never says that the MASTER TO the FATHER. What class of love would be that in which existing two beings, one son and another Father the love is unilateral both having the capacity to love? The certain thing is that Jesus never said to have loved the Father before being born. It never said to have thought. It never said to have done nothing before being born because OBJECTIVELY IT DID NOT EXIST. But it mentioned that God had loved to him and chosen ël, for which was not necessary that it existed. The love of God is by the beings who are and by that not yet they are. It explains another writing:
1 Pedro 1:20
It was destined from before the foundation of the world, but he has been declared lately by love of you.
Pedro taught clearly that, as the Christians, Jesus HAD BEEN DESTINED before being born, but that it had only pronounced, it had only gotten to exist after to be born. I like as they translate other versions this text:
This is something that God had decided to do from before creating the world, and Christ appeared in these last times for good of you. (Bible in simple Language)
Nothing that indicates an objective existence of Jesus before being born, rather a clear explanation that God calls to the things that are not as if they were it.
In fact that Jesus existed in the plan of God before being born, but not consciously it is clear in this text:
8Y all that dwell in the Earth adored to him, whose names are not written in the book of the life of the Lamb, which was dead from the start of the world.
Apocalypse 13:8 (Old Reign)
We do not only remain with this version:
Apocalypse 13:8 (Reign 1960)
8 and all the Earth inhabitants adored whose names were not written in the book of the life (A) of the Lamb that was immolated from the start of the world.
Lamentably in 1995 QUEEN VALERA, the end of the text was removed because the translators realized clearly that text made clear that if Jesus were immolated from the start of the world, that is to say, BEFORE BEING BORN, BEFORE the CROSS is because God speech of Jesus as if Jesus existed although did not exist. Phrases have twisted literally the word of God clearing to him that think that they do not agree with his doctrines.
But we understand well what the Word says: the lamb was immolated before the foundation of the world, was loved before fundaciòn of the world, we were loved and chosen before the foundation of the world BUT NOTHING OF THIS EXISTIO OBJECTIVELY before the foundation of the world but ONLY IN the MIND DE GOD.
But we understand that God calls to the things that are not, as if they were it, we are not understanding the Bible.
But we understand that Jesus only existed in the mind of God before being born, we are not reading clearly what the Bible says with respect to the plans of God.
If we are going to take each phrase in which some feeling or thought of God is mentioned towards Jesus before being born like NATIVE EXISTENCE PRE of Jesus, then we will have to think literally that also Jesus was crucified before being born, that all we existed, who JeremÃas existed, and that king David existed before being born. It To the rest cannot be applied a rule to a text and be denied. Beautiful Biblical education is that in the MIND OF YAVÉ, ours loved MesÃas it always existed, and always knew Yavé that would be crucified by us.
Also we existed in the mind of Yavé, and the coming Kingdom, because the flame the things that are not, as if they were it.
Jesus was born in the Earth, got here to exist. Ours You pull is a human being, generated by God, about which God had thought even before founding the world: This is what the Bible teaches.
Shalom
